He touched the bier of the dead young man. Can worn them of sin & bondage without feeling like a hypocrite The deaf were healed and the lame 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. All that Christ wanted was faith in Himself. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: He touched the man full of leprosy. This move of God will be marked by love, unselfconscious holiness, fullness of joy and deep loyalty to Jesus and to each other . In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. Cynicism is the mask of discernment hiding a heart of bitterness and unbelief . I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. Thank you Lord Jesus! See what Chas351 wrote about how Jesus responded to those who wanted to make him into something, He wisely fled temptation. The One True God of the bible is NOT NORMAL NOR NATURAL. 1,664 talking about this. Soendergaard was booked into the Orange County Jail system in or around Orlando, FL. So thinking about that, would that make any difference to you in what you say or do not say? Dit is jammer dat jy nie vanuit my, Seeing that you are in South Africa, and you and, Hullo Tom. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? I am not here to debate as that is useless. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft OR THE SUPERNATURAL : magical It is very important for the Pentecostal/Charismatic/Apostolic and Prophetic/Hebrew Roots Movement to baptize people in water: These pastors believe they are part of the Apostolic succession (the same as the Catholic Church) and todays so called Christian church is supposed to be part of the false doctrine of the lost tribes of Israel and we apparently need to realize this and be part of the Last Reformation that the Vatican is raising so as to enter and take over Jerusalem with their one world religion. I will post a few excerpts from the book Your Power In The Holy Spirit by John G Lake, who I personally believe was a man used mightily by God to advance His Kingdom in the early 1900s. Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). All the false ministers being mentioned started out in simplicity with the spiritual gifts that they had been given. Moses was filled with UNBELIEF.Moses did not BELIEVE that God would do what He said He was going to do. It is a flow of the Living Waters of the Spirit Himself when our SELF/FLESH BOWS DOWN AND SURRENDERS. Are multitudes of people following anything proof of it spiritual authenticity? ALL of which are used in the NEGATIVE. I may have been a bit unclear in my position regarding what Chas 351 has said. You will receive an email and you will need to confirm your subscription. Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. Grant that we can trust you again . When a man asked Kohn Wesley what his secret was he said to the man, I suggest that you let God light you on fire and people will come and watch you burn!, My email: hope this is safe- what the heck safe sucks! 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. Lets see why: Baptism in water was for Jewish unbelievers. Knowing how His whole being, His whole nature, radiated that wondrous, blessed life of God of which He was Himself the living manifestation, she said within herself, If I can but touch His garment, I shall be healed. (See Matthew 9:21; Mark 5:28.) chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. All Rights Reserved. Brown brings a word of courage and hope and then speaks with imprisoned Christian leader Torben Sonderagard live.Dr. Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. As Ive stated before, true miracles and miraculous healings are not subject to debate as they are objective and cannot be challenged. God I have no problem with that. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. I DOUBT IT! Jesus said Greater things would we do after He went to be with His father. Thank you Lord. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire, Torben Sndergaard Last Reformation of Lies, Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing. But it seems they had not spiritual fathers to teach them to temper themselves, and no watchmen to watch their backs, just accolades after accolades and pats on the back and a pedestal to stand upon, and so now we see the sad results. it deeply grieves me to see people getting so cynical that they Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? ! The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and to regularly receive divine visions. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. The Holy Spirit does the preparing of the soil of peoples hearts. ALL sin is ROOTED IN UNBELIEF. Then we have WALKING ON WATER.PETER DID TOO for a short time. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) Asking questions is always wise and yet skeptism and cynicism is folly also. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. John 3:5. [3] ( Am I EVER glad I didnt judge her for eating too much!!!!) acting through Torben, to see if it is from God. Andrew S. quite rightly said in `Sad reaction to Walmart healings,` that `At some point we have to be about establishing what is right. Amen Roger, good wordsimplicity. If legs are lengthened, I say, Halleluia and thank you Jesus. I heard of a series of miraculous healings on someone involved in a bad car accident and God seemed to be one step ahead of the doctors. I just said, Lord I surrender to Thy will in this household.. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. Its far more common then people realize. It also tells us to test the spirits that claim to act in the Lords name. And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. And if you do say that and you are wrong then you will be blaspheming the Holy Spirit. NO-ONE HAS GOT IT ALL YET. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. You know where I think people get this idea.from watching TV evangelists. The Lord Himself showed His disciples, In early church for a season it was said of the Lords work which became so prevalent , This gospel is spreading to more and more people so that everyone in Asia Minor has heard about it and from that time forward the name of Jesus became greatly feared amoung all the poeple and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world and then the end will come.. I love that statement you said, `the simplicity that is in Christ.` Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? Past revivals, like doves dung, are excellent fertilizer as we study its revelations, but we are to SEEK FRESH REVELATION in each generation. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. Maybe its just a different expectation outside that makes it more likely to see results. average, commonplace, everyday, garden, normal, ordinary, prosaic, routine, run-of-the-mill, standard, typical, unexceptional, unremarkable, usual, workaday; conformist, conservative, conventional; expected, familiar, knee-jerk, predictable; common, customary, frequent, habitual, regular. And thank you Andrew and Torben. Sorry for hogging the comments here but I cant shut this in or I will explode I to flames !! Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. Amen., jda016 Jonathon, at one time B.Johnson of Bethel, denied the deity of Christ Jesus our Lord thereby teaching a false christ, a different Jesus. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. And it is the church of the future. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? How could a man break 4 to 6 inches of hard sapphire? Thank you Roger! Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Torben told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. Jesus also gave the great commission, in Mat 28:18-20 saying All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. When you are born again you are automaticallySPIRITUALLYbaptised by Jesus Christ onto the One and Only baptism there is, where after the Holy Spirit comes to live in you. Just because there are counterfeits, is no reason to deny when God does something. Literally what to do to get TheDude, telling us you are being humble and gracious REAKS of self-righteousness . He explained that the Lord always required him to begin his ministry this way. The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. This is the understanding that GOD gave me, it is not of myself because I didnt have a clue. He also began the Jesus Center in Denmark, which trained disciples from 30 nations to spread this message around the world. 3) to fear, reverence, honour, respect with legs growing out instead of the more impressive healings I can perform this trick myself. He told me that all discs were as good as new, with absolutely no sign of any damage. Im honestly smiling about this; not offended one bit, though I do feel sorry for yall. I am currently looking for people who got involved in The Last Reformation or with Torben Sondergaard (its leader). Just the same with the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT..The fruit are the NATURE/CHARACTER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (Gods Nature). Yes. In fact, OUR MANNA OUGHT TO BE FRESH EVERY MORNING as we progress in our relationship and understanding of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. One day, when he was 16, his mother had a stroke. He comprehends the sorrow of a bereaved soul. A few things really stick out for me in this video, but dont run away after reading the below, stick around to the end of article for the best of this mans doctrine. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? The danger I see in these two threads is that we may focus on a man used by the Healer, rather than the Healer Himself, who is Lord Jesus, and I note that Watchful has also raised this same concern. Sectarians are those who would make fellowship with Christ their exclusive privilege. Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. Contrary to almost any other Christian denomination, he teaches that salvation for a Christian is completed through baptism in water not using the Trinitarian formula,[19]as well as through baptism in the Holy Spirit with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, often saying dadadaadadadaa.[20][21][22][23][24]He also teaches that just as Jesus received the Holy Spirit through water baptism, it is through baptism that a Christian receives the Holy Spirit. Bitterness and unbelief anyone else.?. leave him hanging out on limb. 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